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« on: June 02, 2009, 05:29 AM »

Believe and you will see?

or

To see is to believe?

When these two quote applicable in our life?
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 06:15 AM »

'To see is to believe' is applicable to what can be seen. It doesn't apply to all parts of existence. Do you believe you have a mind? Of course, but it isn't something you see.

'Believe and you will see' is applicable to goal-oriented behaviors, I think.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 06:25 AM »

Informative answer Ribo hah.  shiny

So you believe on the existence of the supernaturals?
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 06:59 AM »

Informative answer Ribo hah.  shiny

So you believe on the existence of the supernaturals?

In the first place, Jal, what is existence? How do we know a thing exists? What do we use? What do we experience? If we understand what existence really is, are we going to say that the supernatural, for example God, is just the same as everything else? That is, God exists? If existence is limited by our experience, are we implying that God is limited too?

So you see, I believe in a supernatural, I mean God, but I do not categorize Him to existence. Why? In the first place, This Supernatural caused existence, that is, existence has a beginning and an end set by God.

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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 01:45 AM »

Believe and you will see
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 08:21 AM »

Believe and you will see..

If you have faith in the Lord, blessing will follows..
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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2009, 11:19 PM »

I choose believe and you will see. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 09:12 PM »



what is existence? How do we know a thing exists? What do we use? What do we experience? If we understand what existence really is, are we going to say that the supernatural, for example God, is just the same as everything else? That is, God exists? If existence is limited by our experience, are we implying that God is limited too?

So you see, I believe in a supernatural, I mean God, but I do not categorize Him to existence. Why? In the first place, This Supernatural caused existence, that is, existence has a beginning and an end set by God.

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interesting...

does it also entail that anything about god is beyond the category of "existence"?
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2009, 11:18 AM »


interesting...

does it also entail that anything about god is beyond the category of "existence"?


Okay...I'll search on my old...old files about what can be an answer to this question. It's a good question and a difficult one.

I would say that anything about God is said with faith. If it is said with faith it will have a different meaning from the usual sense. For example, God is love. A Christian says this with faith. So it's a love in the context of faith. It isn't the same love as one feels towards person because this love is biological. God is love is spiritual. Can we say what is spiritual exits? It boils now to the meaning of existence. That's why I have asked - what is existence in the first place? Our first acquaintance with existence is through observation. We observe for example a chair. We know it exist because we can observe it. Air exists because we can feel it and can be detected by our invented instruments. An atom exists because our instruments detects it and information about it can be interpreted to our senses of observation. The usual sense of existence then is that which we can observe and has evidence about, for example, energy, a chair, the universe and so on. We feel and notice that these have beginning and an end, and we too - we know we will have a beginning and end. The current accepted scientific theory of the universe suggests that it has a beginning and it will have an end. This is the sort of existence we know - this is one term.

Now lets consider God. The Bible implies that God is what God is as God said to Moses: I AM THAT I AM! and this words are absolute. This is a barrier to our knowing. This means that you can say whatever you want to say about God and you will be answered: I AM THAT I AM! In front of God, our knowing has a certain limit. We cannot know anymore beyond this existence that God made for us. The Bible implies too that God doesn't change and God has no beginning nor end. Consider existence that we know - all of them changes and all of them will have beginning and end. God then is not existence not is a part of existence that we know in the sense of, say - a chair exists. If God caused existence, God then is not what God created - that is, God is not existence, nor a part of existence.

So when we say God exists - we qualify the word existence to mean a term that implies existence with faith. Existence with faith is different from existence with evidence (say the existence of a chair). A Christian say it (referring to God) with faith. Existence in the sense of the chair is a manifestation of God. The manifestation is different from God itself. Existence as a manifestation is a sign that there is God. When we say God is love, this can be translated to: A manifestation of God is love. But note that this love, which is spiritual in "nature", is very different from the ordinary love. This love mentioned in the Bible can be reflected from at least one of the verses - but one can find it in so many other verses n the Bible: "There is no greater love than to lay down one's life for one's friends." We love others in the way God loves us in the spiritual sense.
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2009, 11:26 AM »

[correction to the last post]

.....Consider existence that we know - all of them changes and all of them will have beginning and end. God then is not existence nor (not 'not') is a part of existence that we know in the sense of, say - a chair exists....
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 08:47 PM »

As for Jal's "Believe and you will see?", I normally categorize this one to faith.
Now for "To see is to believe?", this is more from a realistic point of view.
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